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Remember this guy who waited down in his basement for intruders and shot two teenagers to death in 2012. Homeowner ...


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Old 04-30-2014, 06:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Remember this guy who waited down in his basement for intruders and shot two teenagers to death in 2012.

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I followed this case pretty closely from the beginning. It was pretty clear that he was guilty of murder to me.

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Thats what they will do to you if you shoot in self defense. CCW with a gun is premeditation.
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Originally Posted by kwo51 View Post
Thats what they will do to you if you shoot in self defense. CCW with a gun is premeditation.
I hope you are wrong in that assumption. Some liberal areas probably do see it that way.

If memory serves.....is this the guy who laid in wait for these teens to come down into the basement and shot them and then even once the threat was eliminated, went back and shot some more? Excessive force? By his own admission? If this is that guy then yeah, he got what he deserved IMO.....I think.

And there was a discussion about CCW=murder on another forum. If that's so then owning a fire extinguisher=arsonist. Having a CCW and carrying does not predispose you to go on a shooting spree. It allows you to protect yourself against someone who does. And statistics would show they are not CCW holders.
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Yes, this is that guy and yes, it was murder according to his own words. He even switched firearms after his rifle jammed and went back for "a good clean finishing shot". He not only crossed the line, he was stupid enough to blab about it.
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Yes he made some mistakes. When you have been violated over and over you take actions to stop it.I don't think murder one will stand in the first shooting but the second is iffy. I carry a spare tire because a flat my occur. Is that common sense or premeditation. What would a reasonable and prudent person do if violated over and over? Killing is never the best choice, just sometimes the only one.
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If your going to get another weapon after you have neutralized the threat is murder for sure in my book. Not self defense if your waiting for them in your basement.
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Did you know that all the thief's were done. When my gun runs dry I'm getting another one and will still keep protecting my home. How did you know the treat was over? My gun beside my bed is there waiting for anyone that would come in uninvited.
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I understand his frustration of being robbed before and doing everything legal within the law to protect your property and life but this guy crossed way over the line. He had every intention in shooting anybody who entered his home again but bragging about it like it was some deer kill was beyond the intention of the law. To me justice was served. Would I shoot somebody who broke into my house??..sure..but would I shoot them like eight times to prove a point..probably not.
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Yep, the evidence shows that there is no "self-defense" in this case.
He waited for them, let them enter unchallenged, and basically ambushed the first victim. Then he returned to kill the second victim well after any threat had passed.

The guys actions are indefensible. He acted like he was shooting raccoons off his trash heap. The case just turns my stomach, and any attempt at justifying his crime is (IMO) severely misguided
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